I think it was before I was to start onTRs and Objectives. Towards the end of my involvement with the church, they got positively mean and nasty. And we all know that the opinion of the majority is the correct one, isnt it? But its a big stretch and a falsehood to broaden that to say the church doesnt treat the mentally ill. There are references for doing so going back to the first books, such as in Science of Survival with its Chart of Human Evaluation which specifies how to audit neurosis and psychosis. The sudden death is a heart-wrenching event for all the friends and family. We must become auditors TO THEM if we are to expect any reformations to happen. This became more evident after GAT2 when the Survival Rundown was implemented, and most Objectives completions had to either re-do their whole Objectives, or get audited on additional Objective processes for dozens (or even more than a hundred) of hours. No more complex than that really. This was around 2000 more or less. Then you have the HCO BULLETIN OF 28 JUNE 1969RA REVISED 26 JULY 1978 RE-REVISED 21 SEPTEMBER 1978, HOW TO CASE SUPERVISE DIANETICS FOLDERS which says : Very sick pcs are sent directly to a medico of course.. So we all must be at least a little bit paranoid. This is about ending the abuses as Mike and Leah are trying to get us to believe. I can see the public interest perspective with this series and and other productions that seek to find a story and tell it,, it has been created with key words cult secret confidential gulag ,, and so on not to mention the mood music and lighting,,, Its what media does,, its never enough just to have a story confined to the specifics and analyse it,,,no one buys that approach anymore. Just like Brock, I think you just hate Scientology and Scientologists, and you want to tear one down, and Cathy Tweed seems like the perfect person for you to victimize. If the disability is pronounced to be curable within the skill of the physical practitioner and is in actual fact a disease or illness which surrenders to contemporary physical treatment, to require the person to be so treated before Scientology processing may be undertaken;. Ah, and here is the information about Dr. Breggin. Their motives for doing this may be more of a legal rudiment, rather than a professed belief in medicine. After a well fought battle with brain cancer, Sarah and Augustus made their journey to heaven on June 11, 2015. The unlikeliness of reform does not come from a group but only from one single individual. Thank you, Jim Dandy!! Forum software by XenForo 2010-2013 XenForo Ltd. But we auditors know better than to hate and punish. Mike is not sticking to a narrative like the narrative that most people who wanted the Catholic Church to stop child abuse stuck with that only focus on specific abuses, and on very specific and irrefutable evidence while leaving alone the religious aspects; but they are sticking to a narrative sort of : The church is an evil entity who doesnt believe in medicine, whose members never go see a medical doctor, and who are so brainwashed that they feel no loss when they lose their kids through Disconnection or death, and blah, blah. What she went through is horrific. This aspect of Hubbard and Scn always irked me. Will they reform? We are currently puzzled about how Tyler Tweed died. There's quite the discussion over at Tony's about whether or not Tayler's death can be blamed on Scientology. In my opinion, the best way to handle this is not by trying to demonstrate who is stronger or more badass, which is the current narrative of BOTH, the church and the anti-Scientology movement. Are they, really? Well, do all mothers make some mistakes? Apparently it was a policy set by Hubbard that one needed to find out about any health issues and then get it or them taken care of before starting this course. And like me, there were others who had to do the same. Dec. 4, 2022. But in my opinion, most of these abuses are not based on sensible uses of the existing Scn policies, but in misinterpretation of them, or using them in fundamentalistic ways without proper discernment and good judgement. https://tonyortega.org/2016/04/28/a-scientologist-heading-for-suicide-the-missing-tayler-tweed-facebook-postings/. I my humble opinion, reform IS possible, and even using specific LRHs policies themselves. What drives ratings? I dont happen to resonate with that belief system, but I think its the right path for some people at this moment in their spiritual journey. Theyre telling peoples stories. I mean, how hypocritical can one get? Leah and Mike added nothing as in no new information to Tony Ortegas 2 year old story. There really is nothing there TO reform. Perhaps Mike Rinders memory got blank because he went pass a misunderstood word, and now he has forgotten about the policies, haha. The video from Cathy Tweed reeks of damage control. I mean, just today Mike posted something basically mocking all those Scientologists who at least are trying to help at the disaster at Texas. The reason for this is because I am about to . Can be really call that a Desire at reformation? Leave a sympathy message to the family in the guestbook on this memorial page of Mary Marguerite Taylor to show support. This simply makes critics into hysterical ninnies who should continue to be ignored by anyone with legal power and who is serious about reforming scientology. I quote from it : Injuries, operations, delivery of babies, severe illnesses and periods of intense emotional shock all deserve to be handled with thorough and complete assists., Medical examination and diagnosis should be sought where needed, and where treatment is routinely successful, medical treatment should be obtained., As an assist can at times cover up an actual injury or broken bone, no chances should be taken, especially if the condition does not easily respond. Date Listed: 23/2/2023. I think A&E should interview Cathy Tweed and give her time on their network after what has been done to her. Would Scientology allow Tayler to see a psychiatrist accredited by the American Psychiatric Association? I agree, but perhaps she can learn the better ways. Public relations is not the answer to the Church of Scientologys problems. The problem with this is that the brain can get sick. Or something actually never explained. Shes not trying to look like the good guy, shes giving her side of the story. This makes me absolutely sad You are saying that you were taking your daughter to doctors when Scientologist dont believe in doctors she should have went to a therapist and got help when she needed it !!. Still, I had multiple prescriptions and two surgeries when I was in CofS. He enjoyed throwing with Marshall High School Track and playing tuba in the band. I have never, not once, seen a parent state they were blameless. Mental health should be under the heading of psychotherapy not under the heading of religion., It seems to me that most spiritual teachers I have come across absolutely do include psychotherapy as part of their spiritual teaching, although they might not use that term. And if the HE goes, then THEY would start acting sane. Other groups were not the topic. She has no responsibility over the content of the episode she was in. Until auditors are licensed, I do not think they should have anything to do with the mentally ill. Many critics are so focused on moral issues that they pound away at things that simply do not matter, thankfully, to any government. I enjoy the show. Now, I challenge anyone to show me ANY reference where Scientology prohibits seeing a medical doctor; ANY. But we assure you that we will provide the factual details when we are informed. Would you like a TV show to make an episode about you and your dead daughter without your consent, and second guess you like this to millions of people? Gross Tweed, Telford. He clearly knew NOTHING of what was actually happening. I witnessed how badly and uncompassionate their originations as to feeling overrun were handled by uncaring Course sups. It never ceases to amaze me the amount of plain stupidly from the anti-Scientology camp! A LOT is based on hearsay, which at almost every court of law in the planet would be considered as inadmissible evidence, and for obvious justice reasons. Can they reform? God bless Tayler. I would rather err in trusting others than in thinking that they can not change. By the end of October, she said she was DONE with Scientology. I went in GREAT details EXACTLY quoting from the that episode all the parts where Leah, Mike, and Lauren BLAMED Cathy Tayler for the death of her daughter without showing one IOTA of proof beyond HEARSAY. And her brother can shut his mouth. For Christs sakes, what is Thursday Funnies and Regraded Being about If not about mocking the church? What are you going to say? I think that we all need a second chance at redemption, forgiveness, and the opportunity to right our wrongdoings. So there are these areas such as child labor and blocking access to medical care where I believe critics can legitimately point out criminality by scientology and try to get the government to act. Like SO MANY medical doctors, psychologists and psychiatrists BELIEVE today, there is such a thing called Psychosomatic Illnesses, which means illnesses brought about by the different kinds of mental stresses that an individual might be undergoing in his/her life. MARSHALL - Tyler S. Tweed, age 24, passed away unexpectedly on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, in Iowa. Fortunately, I was able to take the mother of my daughter off the lines after she has been kept for almost 50 hours!!! It does appear the mother attempt to coordinate care for her daughter at some level. Unless your experience results in greater tolerance and compassion and wisdom for suicide survivors what good is it? You seem to know that if they only did what YOU wanted them to do that Taylor would be alive today. But that doesnt alter the fact that she wasnt any longer on the public eye not that she necessarily needed any money. Mrs. Pamela Devone Taylor Edwards age 52 of 1098 Teakwood Drive, Greenville, NC died Sunday February 26, 2023. But thats obviously not good enough for you. This was about her daughter and how she ( Kathy ) and Scientology failed Taylor!. But, IMHO, the biggest part of the general upset has been created by misapplication and by a fundamentalistic, fanatical approach to policy and Tech. Since thats the post youre commenting on? Mrs. Davis was born October 10, 1943 in Madison County to the late Fred and Lillian Gosnell Tweed. A very small price to pay for helping somebody. As you probably know, thats from the Bible quoting Jesus. And how could someone stand right next to her kid in a ticket line at the airport or at the funeral and say nothing. Way to absolutely avoid the question. One sane and balanced comment, at last! Hence, we both probably have our bias. I think it is the show that has created this belief that Scientologists dont go to Doctors. Scn, as an activity, is very much self-centered; and VERY focused on the able (e.g. Attention whore and trying to look like the good guy. Everett R. Tweed, III "Gene" MEGGETT, S.C. - Everett R. "Gene" Tweed, III, 77, of Meggett, husband of Betty B. Tweed, died Saturday, June 27, 2009 at Roper Hospital . Now, a Scnist may not hold a medical doctor in the same regard as a non-Scnist, but that does not mean they do not utilize their services. Unfortunately, now, we gained no further information from Tyler Tweeds death. Absolutely. Do you know a reference that says they will have nothing to do with the mentally ill? I fully agree; the church in general, need to become more compassionate. Also, the Rachel Berenstein commentary on the mothers comments > dismissive hearsay. And how does the Church feel about psychiatry and receiving psychiatric treatment? . On the broader perspective of exes and whistleblowers who have sufficient experience within the churches or Orgs to know the policies and tech points that motivate and guide the group effort, as well as the counselling and training points that create the graduated indoc into the subject and benefits across the dynamics,,, i find it very curious that a situation is created that these would have the need to go to external and non scn sources in order to get justice or warn others ,,, Its telling me that the wisdom and purpose of the subject matter contained in books and lectures is being sidelined for the purpose of enforcing attitudes and behaviours in a very careless and stupid manner. Guest12, the church (as you called it, which irrelevant to the point under discussion), DID made attempts to prove them wrong by sending the executives of A&E letters of protests, and by specific videos done by the family members (who are still in the church) of those individuals being talked about in the show. Obituary Marshall - Tyler S. Tweed, age 24, passed away unexpectedly on Wednesday December 14, 2022, in Iowa. In fact when I was in I was told to go to a medical doctor twice. Tyler is a 2016 graduate of Marshall High School. Most debris that were blocking the streets have already been taken care of, and the biggest damage is from 50-75% of the island without electrical power, and cell phones and internet signals either inactive or very poor. He was born February 13, 1998, in Madison, to Steven and Jo Ann Tweed. Ive met Mike and like him just fine though he DID try to get in my way back when he was still in and I was starting to wake up. May 23, 2021 This is Taylor Tweed's mother and brother speaking out about how they feel about Taylor's suicide being featured on A&E's Scientology and the Aftermath. Send flowers. How about the fact that she never refers to Tayler as her daughter!! Getting rid of David Miscavige as Chairman of the Board and having to answer to the US government or lose their tax exemption is. For some reason, no medications that treat the brain are allowed. I dont necessarily doubt that a person can benefit from medical treatment for brain illnesses. The first time was to get a physical and full check up before the Purif. New this week 0. I think the important baseline to keep in mind is the law. This lady decides to go to the police to report this physical and sexual abuse from her own husband. I am just curious, I am not challenging you. Way to absolutely avoid the question.. Ill check that out too. `Anyone who knowingly follows a man like Hubbard deserves exactly what they get. Its like that organ cant get sick. Like me. Thats tough for me to get past. On Friday, January 10, Tayler Tweed killed herself with a gunshot to the head. Getting back on trackwhat could the church do to reform this aspect of their religion (if were to believe Mike and Leah)? A&E's teaser for the upcoming episode shows a picture of my beautiful daughter." Or you just like the anti-Scientology narrative? They, incorrectly, do not give it the attention it deserves. Of course, that he opened his piece sort of validating their efforts, in a SENTENCE. We assure you that we will regularly update all the information regarding Tyler Tweeds death when the details are made aware. Survey their public for disagreements wish the existing policies, and correct/modify them accordingly. Lets put Karen De La Carriere on that list, and we are all set, That specific group of 6, plus their sheeple decided upon a VERY specific narrative since SEVERAL years ago, and since then their specific agenda DOES NOT include reformation AT ALL. This is where the word cult shows some utility it can be used to designate a group which has morals that differ from the culture surrounding it. But of course, the current anti-Scientology narrative used by haters and by uninformed individuals to help their OWN personal agendas, disseminate a false perception brought about by the Media show. Very, very accurate description!! Yep ,,,, I am beginning to believe the man at the top is deliberately creating situations to implode the group,, He has already positioned himself into the only one category Tech Dict: All criminals are in that bracket ,,, His tone floats around the hostile band, and his ideals are clearly MEST related ,,, The Org Bd has long since been dropped and by-passed in favor of command channels only. In my pre Miscavige time I looked at scn as a form of psychology and self improvement. Your comment was interesting to me. I get that you dont have much confidence in the tech (leave aside the church) but I do. Getting licensed is actually a great idea for auditors dealing specifically with the mentally ill as opposed to those auditors dealing with the more stable ones. Could you guys try to keep this somewhere in the vicinity of Cathy Tweed, Leah Remini and Scientology and the Aftermath? Historic Notices 0. Come on, how obvious does it have to get? http://whyweprotest.wikia.com/wiki/Scientology_Suicides#The_dead_cannot_tell_us. A woman is married to a known fundamentalist Jehovah Witness minister. How many times was I PERSONALLY told about this by the people who had this experience? Clearly Leah and Mike have some type of agenda, and as you point out, it is not reformation. I cannot believe Scientology turned this mother into coal when it comes to her own flesh and blood! You wonder how could they? Yeah. Now because this police officer that wouldd be YOU thinks that the statements from ANYBODY who follows a psychotic fundamentalist Jehovah Witness minister, should be considered null and void, you decides then that the lady might be lying and refuse to even investigate her claims. Plus it is now becoming more evident that there was a lot more to the story regarding Tayler and her mother which was left out of the episode. 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