Its kind of the situation where lying creates a bigger issue than the truth would have. Not a background check but a security clearance. That's the important government form, where you're giving information to the US government and attesting to the truthfulness of th information. "I stand by my record - I will put up. security concern, ultimately disqualifying an individual who may have been qualified if When you enter the service you have to make a drug and tobacco declaration. To help us make this determination, we ask that you complete all items on the back of this form and return the form in the enclosed envelope. denied a security clearance. Your PSI is current if it is not more than six years old for a Top Secret clearance or not more than 10 years for a Secret clearance. I have obtained my top secret clearance. If you would like to discuss your security clearance concerns further in a confidential environment, a member of our security clearance team would be happy to talk with you. 10? The reason everyone around here recommends that you never lie on any official forms is that once you lie, youre stuck in that lie for the rest of your career. Under no circumstances should you lie, and your friend is a total asshole for asking you to. Basically, the DOD wants to establish that you are honest and trustworthy based on previous behavior. Lying is something they dont take lightly. I don't want to hurt my friend's career, and I really don't think he'll be a danger to the country or anything - he's just an idiot who didn't realize you need to be completely honest when getting your background check. 1. You also may be kicked out of the military completely due to fraudulent enlistment. The purpose of the security clearance is to make sure that he can be trusted with state secrets. This thread has been locked by the moderators of r/legaladvice. You are a Source, not a Subject, and Title 18, Section 1001 of the U.S. Code does not apply to your interview. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. director under President Barack Obama, on Wednesday in a striking act of . The Background check from MEPS will do a cursory check on your past history that involves what run ins with the law you may have had. Its still useful to inquire about your most recent investigation date and CE status before you depart one cleared position for another, or separate from military service. When you applied for security clearance, did you leave accidentally leave The drug use question is for 7yrs. While I'm not a trained expert in that area, its pretty clear what they are looking for Any issues that might lead to money trouble. This was happening under the Obama administration, the Clinton administration," Ivanka Trump said. If they don't really care you may get a "do they have a problem with drugs?" Your Personnel Security Investigation (PSI) may be either current or expired. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. It's only activated as a requirement by the organization. If youre currently employed, checking on your clearance is easy simply request your Facility Security Officer inquire about the status of your clearance. This will include court judgements against you, traffic tickets, and if you have a criminal history. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. During the adjudicative process, a And I left that off the security clearance paperwork. DCSA has a form that can be used to ensure all of the required information is provided, and investigation requests can be made through mail, fax, or email. We can be reached at 202-787-1900. security clearance, the individual must go through what is called the adjudicative facts to their employer, a security official, a doctor, or a government Other levels of clearance exist, such as Public Trust; however, Confidential, Secret, and Top-Secret security clearance are the most widely used. I did have a, No, what you put down is where the inquiry/agent go. If he just told the truth up front & asked you to do the same, hed probably be fine. His was adjudicated favorably. In this investigation, maturity led him to admit to smoking MJ in High School. All my questions are pretty much directly handled by the recruiter i havent had any contact with any security officer from the company and the interviewer i met once and i have no contact info for. Do I have to give a reason? So, my question is how do I go about correcting my mistake. Im just curious, was this job under the table, or did you actually get w2s, paid taxes on it. 22. So LOTS of questions about drugs, gambling and spending habits. Cookie Notice It was not an ever question. Answer (1 of 3): very much so. So is this something i should tell the recruiter? TIA. Two Options After Lying on the SF-86 In this situation, there are really only two such options - and lying again isn't one of them: 1. He didnt make a mistake. Idk I hate how I put myself in this stupid predicament. ClearanceJobs Blog 2023 ClearanceJobs - All Rights Reserved. Perhaps there is a civil attorney way of handling this? I have seen a few rare cases where criminal charges were pursued, mostly in instances where the falsification was egregious and involved withholding information on serious criminal conduct. Its definitely a possibility that you get kicked out. From the SF86 that you signed: While they technically could falsify information on the form, background investigators will inquire for more information through other sources for any issues that come up. Ive seen a handful discharged for that. The PSAC Adjudicator will adjudicate the final closed background investigation and make a final determination. In addition to being truthful, here are four rules to keep in mind if you need to take a polygraph for a government position. under the Adjudicative Guidelines. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled. I should have never listened to my friends or family regarding lying on it. 21 comments share save hide report 72% Upvoted This thread is archived Another option is to tell the hiring manager the truth, which will probably knock you out of consideration. It's eating me up, I don't want to face legal consequences anda dishonorable discharge and I just feel bad about lying. They can NOT overlook lying about it. Since prior drug use issues are known the Investigators will likely get a bit more detailed about their questions for you in that area especially if this person named you as a knowledgeable source of the issue. I live around DC, in Virginia, so a lot of my friends are getting security clearances in order to go into Government contracting jobs. Will do, thank you. Reply. number of variables are carefully weighed in what is commonly known as There are obviously more factors considered than just your weed use. Eventually he was brought in by FBI agents for questioning about his involvement with the group. But, you could update your resume-fix the dates, change some of the wording, and so on-and tell the interviewer that you noticed some errors on your resume and have a revised copy. All that is being looked at is. My general advice to applicants is that correcting the record early is the best antidote to problems both with security clearance officials and criminal justice officials. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. For all of the Edward Snowdens and Aaron Alexises of the world, youd think that more subjects would be prosecuted for violating Title 18 Sec. inspected. They may also be interviewed by their employer, a security official, an investigator, a government representative, or a competent medical authority, or any combination thereof. Nothing you mentioned seems to indicate a positive response to an ever question soduring the interview. Oh, and stop lying. What recourse do applicants have if they have proof that a previous contact or boss or coworker lied on the INV form 41? Interesting. You will likely be advised of 4 things prior to the interview, the purpose, the creds of the Investigator, the Privacy Act of 1974, and it being an unclassified conversation. The US Criminal Code title 18 section 1001 provides that knowingly falsifying or concealing a material fact is a felony which may result in fines and/or up to 5 years imprisonment. (They had no opinion on me.)] I work both as the VP of CNO Programs and as a CNO Software Developer at Dark Circuit Labs. We would get fired if we lied on a form, but surely someone cant just lie about us without recourse while threatening our jobs. On my security paperwork for my clearance I left out that I was fired from a job for stealing more than $500 worth of merchandise. Option 2. On my security paperwork for my clearance I left out that I was fired from a job for stealing more than $500 worth of merchandise. Jared Kushner lied on his form. No legal trouble, but you might lose your TS clearance for a while if the incident is uncovered. If it's the latter, don't answer questions based on heresay. Security clearance permits access to classified national security information. When they come around asking questions about your Friend, they're also going to ask you about other people that know him - "You mentioned he knows Tim? Come Clean and Tell the Truth. I lied on my SF86 - Drug use SECURITY CLEARANCE Q&A coupe1987 July 27, 2019, 3:35pm 1 I've been reading a lot of similar stories but just want someone to tell it to me straight based on my situation. Below, however, are answers to some of Thus, applicants are highly encouraged to consider speaking with an experienced attorney prior to taking a polygraph examination. Ive read a few of your previous comments on some folks in similar situations as me. Lying in connection with a security clearance check is a criminal offense. How long was this job firing? Categories Blog Lying in connection with a security clearance check is a criminal offense. or personal history statement, or if they deliberately lie about relevant He asked me to withhold information to match what he put down. Actually, I have no idea, and neither does anyone else on this forum, based on the single detail you provided. However, if the applicant took measures to conceal or withhold the negative I failed to mention the one and only time I ever did any drugs. He lied. contact our security clearance attorneys for assistance! Lying on the SF-86 Results in Jail Time. A Department of Defense military security clearance investigation examines your character, conduct, criminal background, financial responsibility, and emotional stability. It statesI have read the instructions and I understand that if I withhold, misrepresent, or falsify information on this form, I am subject to the penalties for inaccurate or false statement (per U.S. Criminal Code, Title 18, section 1001), denial or revocation of a security clearance, and/or removal and debarment from Federal service.. "Why would we ever give him a security clearance and the secrets to America? with an active Top Secret Security Clearance. Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn appears to have lied to security clearance investigators by telling them he was paid by "U.S. companies" when he traveled to Russia in. The security clearance background investigation process falls under federal guidelines, therefore any criminal charges must be filed in a Federal District Court by the charging agency. If you get asked about drug use and you didn't actually see him taking drugs, you can honestly say that you don't have first hand knowledge of that. I got interview recently as a reference. During the adjudicative process, the applicants background is closely According to those reports, Trump pushed for security clearances to be granted to Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner against the wishes of intelligence officials and his own White House staff.. Coming forward with this information at this stage will only lead to trouble for you, including quite possibly the denial of a security clearance and your involuntary reassignment to an MOS that does not require a security clearance. I've known this guy since middle school, and know that for a few years he partied pretty hard with various drugs/alcohol. Edit: also the level of incorrect information in here is worrisome. Ivanka Trump received her clearance around the same time. Favorite type of beer: IPA. This I dont agree with. Falsifying information on the SF-86 is a felony that can result in fines or five years in prison. Yes - military records are not only fair game but routinely reviewed. As an experienced Sr. Program Manager, I've been part of USG donor-supported efforts working with CSOs; independent media organizations & journalists; to improve their capacity through training and programs focused on countering information operations; improving operational security; and creating crisis communications frameworks. I can pretty much guarantee that they're going to speak with people he did not directly refer them to. For assistance with completing your security clearance package for a Department of State investigation or to inquire about the status of your security clearance with the Department of State, you may email the DSS Office of Personnel Security and Suitability Customer Service Center at SecurityClearance@state.gov or call between 8 A.M - 5 P.M . Should I mention my domestic violence arrest or my DUI? Company withdrew sponsorship after I ended up leaving for another company, so not withdrawn from my end. You will also not be placed under oath. Hey there! Intent does matter, and even if you intended to lie at the time you made the false statement, showing remorse before you get called to the carpet on the lie goes a long way . In order for someone to be eligible for security clearance, he or she must This information is not intended to create, and receipt Many enlistees going into the military provide false or erroneous information on security clearance applications in order to get past the screeners. and our "I was granted a top-secret clearance by the U.S. Department of Defense to work on particularly sensitive programs," Ossoff told reporters on March 30. Were you there doing drugs with him (and if so, seems crazy that he would list you as a reference), or is this just stuff you heard about? And I left that off the security clearance paperwork. Falsifying information on the SF-86 is a felony that can result in fines or five years in prison. Have a conference, tip, or story idea to share? If you have not used since 2013, recommend pulling back SF86. The new SF86 was submitted and I still annotated no for the drugs since it was actually over 7 years ago. How much trouble can I get in if they find out the truth?? Fill out the forms and answer the questions. 1.) It maybe a waste of money. Your friend has asked you to commit a criminal offense. 2023 ClearanceJobs - All rights reserved. If I was the boss I'd launch an investigation into their shoddy practices but I'm not the boss. Fave hike: the Grouse Grind, Vancouver, BC. While I understand the urge to want to hide past indiscretions, its always better to be honest about these things. [Seriously. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, Interned with defense contractor this past summer and needed to get Public Trust for future employment. What if I Lie When Applying for Security Clearance. 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I know they have access to my previous forms and my enlistment paperwork. process. This process consists of a detailed examination of the If youre not currently employed, the process of ascertaining your security clearance status becomes a bit trickier. applicant either sought rehabilitation or they made amends. And you smoked dope, and snorted coke. Be honest if you want, to the full extent you want, but know that the details you have might not even be asked for in the first place and if you get in too deep or feel uncomfortable you can always say you're not sure. A computer sends everything out initially, for all case types. Under no circumstances should you lie, and your friend is a total asshole for asking you to. What about the other side of the coin a reference you provide lies during the investigation? Perhaps of the IG did more about subject falsification, there wouldnt be so many problems in the clearance world. medical authority, or any combination thereof. <br><br>My background also includes being an experienced threat . If its someone at a former company that wouldnt help to determine your eligibility for employment or security clearance, maybe list another reference. During the interviews he lied to them about his association with the group, and in October 2019 he was arrested and indicted for lying on his security clearance application and for lying to federal investigators. Run, do not walk away from this. is worthy of a security clearance, and not considered a security Provocatively asked to make a pointHow often did you use once you joined? And, "Why should anyone believe you? " You are an admitted liar. I recently just received my offer letter and read it will require a TS / SCI security clearance which from my research being honest is key(nice one i know). Much about the clearance process resembles the Pirates Code: more what youd call guidelines than actual rules. This case-by-case system is meant to consider the whole person, increase process security, and allow the lowest-risk/highest-need candidates to complete the process. This I was truthful on. My question is how will this affect my chances for TS? ClearanceJobs is a DHI service. Here's the thing; the biggest risks of clearances is other people using your information against you to manipulate or blackmail. Anybody else have any experience with this? ], They're going use all those interviews to build up a picture about Friend's life, and its going to have Friend and maybe some of Friend's direct references saying "Hey, yeah, he did a little pot at a party once", and its gonna have a whole bunch of extended contacts saying "Oh, god, he was wasted on coke every weekend and he was high in pretty much every class I ever had with him, and once he was so out of it he drove his car into a cow pastur -- oh, he said it was icy and he lost control? We frequently warn of the importance of security clearance applicants being honest on government forms, including the SF-86 security clearance application. they were truthful. Santas sleigh is missing its reindeer, but the captain has had plenty to drink. The cover up or the lie is generally a bigger problem that the crime itself. The deciding agency or organization who discovered the violation, after affording the individual due process, has a few options available. Katie Keller is a marketing fanatic that enjoys anything digital, communications, promotions & events. The agency can just leave it as a simple security clearance denial or revocation and the individual will still be eligible to apply for other non-sensitive positions within that agency or they can also debar the individual from eligibility for all positions within that agency for a period of up to three years. Security clearance decisions regarding eligibility for access to classified information seek to assess a candidate's trustworthiness. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled. If you are notified of an intent to deny or revoke your security clearance, you have the right . Psi ) may be either current or expired applied for security clearance, did you accidentally! 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