DR: There was a pop song in the 1960s by the Three Dog Night. In 1992, Notley moved to Paris with her second husband, the British poet and novelist Douglas Oliver (19372000), whom she met while living in England in 1974. The Descent of Alette is a 1992 book length poem by the American poet Alice Notley. However, New York Poetry authorized one to draw from others, taking a bit from this one, and from that one, which I did for a long time. It seemed that people like Joe Brainard were doing important, high-art collages and we could follow along without any pretention to be creating masterpieces. Among the most powerful moments in her work are the ones marked by her teaching poetry workshops in New York and her self-publishing the book. I would write during that high, meanwhile I would listen to Bob Dylan tapes. And the past & future & I born too. Request a transcript here. You know that quotation from a Paris Review interview (1983) that everything is this underground river and you can just draw from it any time you want to. Ill read a part of it: Alice Notley, Where Leftover Misery Goes inGrave of Light, Wesleyan University Press, 2006 (p.292-293), reproduced with permission of the author. There are different paces and reading styles possible; the performance can be different each time. 99: Eileen Myles.. Notley citesin parta reading by Robert Creeley as early inspiration for her writing more poetry. Its small and a bit fragile. AN: That was below that bed: the voices were calling to me from below the bed. 7Alice Notley: Im from the desert which I found intensely attractive as nature, and its my nature reallyI havent been back in six years but I love that nature. Thats why my poetry works so well. (2006). I had met him in 1969, then we stayed friends. Or, as One says, Anyones a new poem today. I used to substitute teach for him, sometimes, at Brooklyn College. Alice Notleys father doing the Hopi snake dance. Through polyvocal poems, vast epic sequences, and world-building vision, Alice Notley 's work for decades has broken through to new possibilities of genre, lyric, contact, and time. Alice Notleys poetry has evolved through many phases and experiments, as her output continues to be strong, and is increasingly studied academically. Since I had all these poems without titles, I just randomly assigned Rons titles to the poems that ended up in For Frank OHaras Birthday (1976). I wonder about it later, but actually it always seems like it is justified: I think the people that I mentioned in Alma or The Dead Women deserve to be there, having their names engraved in that particular way. New Addresses. 31AN: This poem was later published in Reason and Other Women (2010). AN: Peggy was great and, yes, Irish. The word, the line, and also the stanza. I am tempted to treat the quotation marks between phrases as breath-markers like on a musical score. Like somebody live in some city. DR: He was deeply inspired by the Hindu tradition, which was brave and opens the culture up. In an interview with the Kenyon Review, Notley noted: I think I try with my poems to create a beginning space. 62I am furious about people calling their speech against Trump the resistance. However, I have a poem, which happened to be written before Trump was elected, in an anti-Trump-type anthology thats coming out because I figure any place I can get a poem published is an occasion to seize. I didnt know any French; I had no French when I came here, basically, in my late forties. How do we make sense of ourselves in relation to huge abstract institutions such as democracy, the state, and marriage? Entitled The Speak Angel Series, her latest collection of new material is forthcoming from . 8DR: Such natural presences are important. Im working on arcane things at the moment which I find hard to talk about. 71AN: His werent poetry workshops: he taught undergraduate courses at Columbia. 15AN: Yes and a certain way of being cocky, which was very Irish, you know, a certain way of being witty, sort of a blunt kind of wittiness. Its not around me much now. She made one change when she worked for James Schuyler, and she adopted a version of his short line, though after that theres little change, except a few years ago, when she started putting in spaces between thoughts: in a new way she created some disjunction she had never had before. Table of Contents 75DR: Speaking of Anne Waldman somehow makes me think of the presence of Native Americans in your work. As in I the People, the speaker in this masterpiece questions the relationship between person and nation and between private and publicbut this time in the face of great personal loss. Ed. I can do that with my speaking voice in poems. In that sad, beautiful book, theres so much irony, whereas some literary critics take everything at face value. 4. In the mixed abstractions of a mid-eighties poem called Congratulating Wedge, Notley turns instability into strength: Im ashamed to keep on babblingas if Ive always been oneself,diamond flow through. Notley and Berrigan joined an already active community of Chicago poets, including Paul Carroll, Paul Hoover, and Maxine Chernoff. Indeed, French poetry has had some weird times, where it got so abstract. [1] She received a Bachelor of Arts from Barnard College in spring 1967 and left New York City that fall for the fiction program at the Iowa Writers' Workshop. This is typical of what happens when I make a collage. [1] [2] The poem is notable for Notley's extensive use of quotation marks throughout, which she has described as part of her attempt to reclaim the narrative function. There was a piece of paper on my door that said: in your building there were two Jewish children who were taken to the camps; we are going to have a ceremony for the unveiling of a plaque on the rue de Chabrol. I had just been in the States. I would like some help. Whereupon, she just totally melted. 98DR: Frank OHara was strongly influenced by Williams, and you in turn take a lot from OHara. Theres no garbage. 80AN: Probably, I wouldnt dance, but Anne might. 88AN: Yes, and that is effectively what the Aeneid, which is certainly a splendid and beautiful poem, does. 11It was a collaboration of sorts, though I generally do not collaborate; I really hate it. interview (2015) she says that she learned from John Ashbery never to complete a thought, which is a rich idea. That particular poem is in your selected poems, in, , and it was presented upright on the page, but it was published in a review called. This period also marked an increase in scholarly interest in Notley's work. Poems and prose about conflict, armed conflict, and poetry's role in shaping perceptions and outcomes of war. Said Let there be lightbulbs & liquefaction. AN: He has complete syntactical thoughts, then he interrupts things at the conjunction. 84AN: You dont have to breathe between them. DR: Lets see, arrive the exactitude of pitch the tune in words alone; thats In the Pines too. Mayer and Notley both used their experience as mothers and wives in their work. Recent books continue to be at least somewhat character centered. Parts of a Wedding. But although it feels dashed-off, OHaras essay is more than fashionable flash. The Man in the Long Black Coat, (1989) by Bob Dylan influenced the sound of the first two parts, which I wrote last. The Desert Music and Other Poems. In the middle section, which is in prose, there are three people: me, Medea, and Dido, my gripe being that she founded a city, Carthage. NOTLEY, Alice. At Berrigan's behest, his students at Northeastern became very active members of the local poetry scene, starting magazines and reading series. 116AN: I was there. Her last collection, Mysteries of Small Houses, was a finalist for both the Pulitzer Prize in poetry and the Los Angeles Times Book Prize. 1Alice Notley is a major American poet of our day, who has been living in Paris since the early 1990s, when she moved there with her second husband, the English poet, Doug Oliver (1937-2000), because Paris was where his professorial career was taking him. The first time I went there I was completely humiliated by the people working there. Blinding the White Horse in Front of Me in. I had it for a long time and it started to break. Sign up for the Books & Fiction newsletter. The magazine ran for eight issues, three of which were published while Notley and Berrigan lived in England. Instead of second-guessing their style, we could talk about the way they handled the tasks. I felt I knew what the cry house was, and had ideas about it: I knew how to use regional things. [14] Several poems from her 2007 collection In the Pines were set to music by the Canadian indie pop band AroarA for their 2014 Polaris Music Prize-nominated 2013 EP In the Pines[15] and in Fall 2014, a conference celebrating Notley's work was held at the Bay Area Public School in Oakland, California. By signing up, you agree to our User Agreement and Privacy Policy & Cookie Statement. In Notley's epic poem, The Descent of Alette, form takes many shapes. MYLES, Eileen. In the case of John Ashbery, theres a poem called Syringa (1977) with an Orphean motif. DR: You quote the powerful, assertive voice of Marianne Moore in a poem. Better to think of the poem as what Notley calls a bricolage, with hints of medieval allegory, jokey slang, strange jags of French. You know Frank was this little gay guy and Ted was this big, butch, working-class guy from Rhode Island; they were both from New England so there may have been something that he caught off of Franks voice as a vibration, or of Franks way of behaving in the world (I never met him; Ted once gave me permission to call him Frank). 2Although she is a Parisian now, Alice Notley was also a key figure on the Lower Manhattan poetry scene particularly of the late 1970s and the 1980s. There was one called How Green Was My Hair Brush? which was a Ron title. Notley edited seven of the issues with Berrigan taking over one while Notley was pregnant with their first son. 68DR: Your humor, in poems like The Prophet (which asks hilariously, Does a hippopotamus get the shakes?) is slightly less well known than your readiness to tackle political subjects. Can we talk a little bit about the pop culture that figures in your work? That was written in the Food Stamp Office in 1985. There are others over there. Those are the ones Im working on right now, which have to do with my poetry of the moment. And that other one was something I just picked up from the sidewalk. In the Pines, Montreal: Club Roll, 2012. There was pleasure in working with that discovery. , CA, c.1985, courtesy of the artist, re-photographed by Daesong Kim. So, there were people from all different professions at the table, a few Americans and some artistic peoplebut not that many. Need a transcript of this episode? Alice Notley (born 8 November 1945) is an American poet. In reframing and re-empowing Dido and Medea, she is writing a meditation on destruction. Its not around me much now. I was one of his friends in Paris. DR: Eileen Myles is another poet who comes from an Irish, working-class, New England background and lost her father. For death? how to express it. AN: She lost her father younger than Ted lost his. My mother had broken her hip. I had this education, so I could have been doing something else but did not want to, was animated by a desire to write poetry, which is truly valuable: I was writing peoples culture for the future. I felt I knew what the cry house was, and had ideas about it: I knew how to use regional things. DR: Did you like doing it? Need a transcript Alice Notley has become one of Americas greatest living poets. This guy is doing vinyl records of poets and hes done a series including one of me and one of Eileen [Myles]. Your heart remembers its pumping. I had just been in the States. New York: Random House, 1954. That gives you a sense of the sound. Get book recommendations, fiction, poetry, and dispatches from the world of literature in your in-box. Ive always had trouble getting materials here. Dismiss. Nina Baym. I always liked his paintings. Her first husband, Ted Berrigan, was an equally charismatic figure among an influential group of downtown poets. Notley has remained in Paris but makes several trips to the United States each year to give readings and teach small workshops. [6], While in Chicago, Notley started publishing her magazine Chicago, a legal-sized mimeograph publication which would continue through both her pregnancies and even her relocation to England. 76AN: Well I grew up in the Southwest. Her mother was Polish and her father Irish. Its refreshing to read poetry so dedicated to its own ends, even if they are occasionally inscrutable. She lives and works in Paris. She is the author of more than thirty-five books of poetry, including Mysteries of Small Houses (Penguin, 1998, winner of the Los Angeles Times Book Prize and a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize); Disobedience (Penguin, 2001, winner of the Griffin Prize); and Grave of Light: New and Selected Poems 1970-2005, which received the Lenore Marshall This guy is doing vinyl records of poets and hes done a series including one of me and one of Eileen [Myles]. . Notley came to prominence as a member of the second generation of the New York School of poetryalthough she has always denied being involved with the New York School or any specific movement in general. DR: Speaking of Anne Waldman somehow makes me think of the presence of Native Americans in your work. DR: Well I think of Williams as a kind of Calder mobile waiting to enter into movement. I would write during that high, meanwhile I would listen to Bob Dylan tapes. AN: Well possiblyI take in a lot of things that I dont know about, or that I dont remember. 121AN: No, never: when I address enemies, I am not carrying them on my shoulder; Im being intensely annoyed by them. I was wondering if your poems that address completely despicable people might be a case of carrying the enemy on the shoulder. In this Poem Talk podcast devoted to this poem, it is read as a sort of non-political political poem, bringing the personal into the public. The Indie rock group, (2005), collects a series of sensitive essays she wrote about her own poetry and that of others from her poetic. DR: Frank OHara was strongly influenced by Williams, and you in turn take a lot from OHara. It also marks a shift in Notleys poetics away from the freewheeling chattiness of the New York School and toward something more visionary, historical, and grandly narrative. Also, just before leaving New York, she realized the ambition of writing a feminist epic in a book-length poem, The Descent of Alette (1996). Hastings: Reality Street, 1976. For instance this collage that you put on the cover of Grave of Light. The character One is a kind of joke (Notley has always had an oddball sense of humor), but a joke that underscores the flimsiness of a stable idea of the self. 49DR: In that book, the heroine is a true medium who can look at someones face and know things, and at the end she is taken off to the asylum; Andr Breton then rails for two pages about how misguided asylums are, which makes your collage seem to be broaching the question of clairvoyance in terms of surrealistic, poetic culture. 36AN: Like dolmensyes, something like that. AN: I wrote an essay about her work in a book of essays called. What does it mean to be one of millions that comprise a nation? New York: TPR, 2009, p.174-202. I dreamed about the children afterwards, you know, there were children being chased in this building. [4] Notley's second book, Phoebe Light, was published in 1973 by Bill Berkson's Bolinas-based press Big Sky.[5]. 112AN: Ah, thats from Songs and Stories of the Ghouls (2011), from the lady with antlers; that was strange: I fell asleep, dreamed of being a woman with antlers, then when I woke up I opened Le Monde, lo and behold, there was a picture of a model with antlers on her head and she was in a fashion show that day on the runwayshe was wearing antlers: it was a premonitory dream. 104AN: That was below that bed: the voices were calling to me from below the bed. As is often written in her biographical notes, "she has never tried to be anything other than a poet," and with over forty books and chapbooks and several major awards, she is one of the most prolific and lauded American poets today. In March 2021, Notley was a guest blogger forHarriet. Ones not overshadowed like in forests elsewhere, but its particularly harsh, and hot: the Mojave goes up to 120-125 [Fahrenheit], sometimes. Its possible Im living in the apartment of someone who was taken away to the camps. New York: Granary Books, 2006. ASHBERY, John. Its a reasonable question to ask about For the Ride, which begins with a challenge to the reader: Youll have to decipher whats going on, as it happens. Eileen Myles wrote of their experience in Notley's workshops in their books Chelsea Girls (Black Sparrow Press, 2004; Ecco, 2015) and Inferno (O/R Books, 2010). [12] Her own book, entitled Parts of a Wedding, was published first in a small edition by Unimproved Editions then later as a section of the O Books anthology O One.[13]. [16] Over two nights, November 14 and 15, 2016, Notley read The Descent of Alette in its entirety at The Lab in San Francisco. The poet and essayist talks about her newest essay collection Minor Feelings, waking Alice Notley, Al Filreis, Erica Kaufman, Joe Milutis, Zack Pieper. I think its just all out there. DR: He has said that he started doing collages in his twenties and continued throughout his life. hard and deeply about each part as I go along. She has also been a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. DR: There are some lines from your poems, wrought like those in Stein, that one could carry in ones head all day and it would color that day; for example, that thinks but not only on words is one; all thats left of the old world are beautiful voices, is another that might change ones day. Their apartment at 101 St. Mark's Place again became a hub for both young writers and Berrigan and Notley's contemporaries. I certainly wouldve used anything to keep from being sent. 120DR: He was deeply inspired by the Hindu tradition, which was brave and opens the culture up. Where Leftover Misery Goes. Robert Haas, Guest Editor, The Best American Poetry of 2001. DR: I think for the reader those part-words can function to foreground an elsewhere. Notleys work is famously heterogeneous, but its possible to see a gradual shift in her work, beginning in the mid-eighties, away from the New York Schools emphasis on ordinary detail and the surfaces of daily city life. DR: To go on with my list: We are secretly holding the ghost dance, take care of the pines where we sleep, I have the Antlers she., (2011), from the lady with antlers; that was strange: I fell asleep, dreamed of being a woman with antlers, then when I woke up I opened. Instead, she gravitated increasingly toward archetype and mytha search for primordial language bubbling under the surface. After the workshop ended, Notley teamed up with students to print copies of their works on the mimeograph machine in the St. Mark's basement. New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 1979, p. 911-1772. I made this in about 2005. My poems are full of creosote bushes, and athel trees which are extremely ugly trees that somehow got there, who knows how, maybe by way of the Colorado River which goes right by where I grew up. Way too . When I was becoming a poet, folk music was popular; Bob Dylan was getting started; and he was that kind of magpie. The late Gracie Allen was a very lucid comedienne. You know Newman makes these large, abstract works. A close relationship with the poet Anselm Hollo, who was teaching at the program at that time, led to Notley leaving Iowa City for Morocco in 1968. Middletown, CT: Wesleyan University Press, 2006. . 23AN: We were children then, basically. 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They were the CDs that my son made and sent me; there are a lot of miss-hearings of Bob Dylan songs, as well as just a lot of folk songs that I already knew, in that work. 107DR: Lets see, arrive the exactitude of pitch the tune in words alone; thats In the Pines too. West Branch, Iowa: Toothpaste Press, 1981. DR: Apart from what happens during the performance, can writing poetry be like a dance? That was one of the first things Ted [Berrigan] told me about John: he kept a list of titles, like Civilization and Its Discontents, then he would decide, Ah, that would be a great title for a poem, and then later he would check his list and pull that title out. Would you like to come? I didnt go. In New York, the poets you met were mostly all from somewhere else (except for a few of them like Bill Berkson and Kenward Elmslie). Making oneself now,oh One. There was pleasure in working with that discovery. Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press, 2005. 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