What utter nonsense! I have 2 of them. Pick up a Taurus 738 tcp and it is super snappy vs the cw380. Hellcat 380. And we have to like it enough to carry it. I really think you never did anything with the Pico other than Picking one up and then getting of the internet and posting without any knowledge of how to use the firearm. Very very inconsistent across the board for everything they make to not be considered really bad. Mine works, has worked, continues to work, and has never not gone bang. I sell guns and have ZERO hesitation about selling someone a CPX-2 for everyday carry. . Do you really know anything about pocket guns? the problem with your rating site is that it is seriously flawed. Anyone have the Bersa .380. I think Jimenez and Lorcen companies went bankrupt. Wecantdislike shooting it so much that well never practice with it. Thats what made my wife choose a Sig P238, which I carry occasionally. How many times does anyone complain about a bad trigger in a self defense situation? How do they perform? It is my bicycle gun. Broke the ejector. Super gun, works every time. I fell for the Pico hype. My shooting buddy has an LCP. After each guns name, youll see its average user rating, that ratings margin of error and the number of votes: 1) Diamondback Firearms DB380 (4.3 stars 1.0, 25 votes). I totally agree. Personally have no experience with them but it is to each his own and have heard nothing but good about these pistols. Or did all those voters fly to Russia to test them out? For that reason its got a little too much recoil and im not as accurate with it as i am with my heavier pistols chambered in 9mm and 40 caliber . The CPX-2 fails to fully eject one shell per magazine. capacity. While the LCP II is still a small pocket pistol, Ruger made a number of improvements to it. As soon as I saw the title I knew the Pico would be on the list. Given how clannish and brand-loyal a lot of gunners are, it wouldnt shock me if about half the votes against the SCCY were cast because it wasnt a Glock 43, or something equally biased and stupid. Ruger LCP II .380 ($349) I have 100s of rounds through both my kahrs with zero fails. I found that many mags for the Hellcat where not cut properly with too much play at the catch. Ive no complaints. Ive heard more than a handful of DEALERS who rate it a much better overall weapon than the KelTec which it resembles, and the machining does appear superior in my estimation. I love my CPX-1. I own some pretty toys and more expensive carry guns but for everyday carry i choose between my CPX 2 and S&W 442 and feel just as confident with either. Must be the best gun ever. Try the Sig P938 If you are truly carrying for protection you dont mind the Sig Price if your life is on the line and the P938 shoots like a minature 1911 Love mine and have had several friends buy them after shooting my P938 SAS. Because they unreasonably expected to consistently hit a bullseye at 50 yards with a pocket pistol? Thanks for your post. But still, Im sure there are worse ones. Totally precision stainless steel receiver, chassis, guide rod, best sights in class, best take down in class, One of the most Mild mannered shooting guns made for that size. I would buy one if I needed another inexpensive backup carry gun. The mag will spring out when done correctly. Stainless Steel receiver, chassis, guide rod, built like a tank. I normally enjoy Truth about guns. And of course, they criticize all the brands that dont advertise with them. I bought a SCCY CPX-2 a few months ago . I fire a couple of magazines a month thru them so as not to get too rusty . Personally, Id like to see something a little more scientific than a survey since we have no idea if the respondents even handled the firearm. And buying likes is one definite way to abuse it. If one MUST have a 9mm pocket gun, then the Kahr PM9/CM9 is really the only choice. I think the SCCY might be marginally better and has 2 mags. 72 people have given the Arsenal Strike 1 a mediocre rating. yes the Masss might love them, but who the hell are the masses? My PT 22 is surprisingly reliable. its a good resource with a lot of basic info on a LOT of handguns, a good start for anyone looking at a first gun, for example, or a second, for that matter. Nice gun, but many of Kahr owners go to the Pico and never look back. I wouldnt bother to get that info from this site. [Edit: Jeremy S. had issues w/ the Pico as well], 5) Kahr Arms CM40(3.8 stars 0.7, 36 votes). Have you put more than a box through it? Well, youre in luck, because your fellow Americans have voted, and for some pocket guns, the results arent pretty . It is accurate, easy to shoot, recoil is manageable. But if ultimate concealment is the need, then just accept that it will need to be .380. A recoil spring system that not only sucks, but lends the thing to have constant and regular jams and FTF and FTEs. 2) Cobra Firearms CA380 (4.3 stars 0.9, 36 votes). I have been shooting pocket guns for years. Those were the worst. The sccy is a great budget pistol. There is nothing copyrightable in those designs. Shoots fine, never a problem, kills my hand. I dont see it. You should consider using a Bayesian average for this situation. Most people who love the P3-AT just carry it but dont use it. Hence why Hipoints explode when high pressure rounds are put in them or dont feed reliably when hollowpoints are used. Accurate for cheap junk. Does this guy have any gun expertise? It had some issues ejecting, but a trip to the factory corrected the issues. He rated it 2.5 stars out of 5 and wrote, I dont hate it. Still, thats pretty tepid, and our readers rate it well below average. It covers the trigger guard of the pistol and has a hook and sticky material to stay secure in your pocket so it is easy to draw the pistol from your pocket without bringing the holster with it. Only drawback is the 2D trigger. The problem with the group wisdom line of thinking is that you cannot separate the people with actual hands on experience with the firearm in question from actual users, which is always a problem with new guns. Ill definitely be checking it out. Its pretty clear why. Jimenez was one former name for Cobra also Loren was also a former name . This article by Alex Joseph originally appeared at Gun News Daily in 2019. Still cant find that silent u in it to make it sky. I still have the same problem. He says the trigger is horrible? I shot the cpx-1 and the cpx-2and never had a problem with either. I do feel though that its a little too light for a 9mm caliber . Or do you just sit around Mommies basement pretending to be a gun commando? Literally, it is.) While larger .380 pistols such as the Walther PPK/S, Walther PK380, Bersa Thunder 380, and Glock 42 dont have this problem, the truly small pocket pistols such as the LCP and TCP most certainly do. This list would have been more valid if it had included the KIMBER SOLO, This website is better than the comedy channel. The Sccy gets a 4.3 rating and it stinks? The grip is also slightly enlarged in order to get a better grip, with an improved stippling job as well to better accommodate wet or slippery conditions. I liked the gun otherwise, but the awful trigger was a total deal breaker for me. He paid people to review his book on Amazon. Non shooters called me a liar that we could do it, but any bad guy within 30 yards is in great danger, even though it has been a long time. We even joked that we needed to start a Pocket Gun Palma match. Nope. I have thousands of rounds through the Picos and trust me, they hold up like the tank they are. Any kind of ammo. In 2017, SIG Sauer produced a unicorn of a pistol in the P365. +1 Mag Extensions are the only change to it. Here are some basic facts for the Ruger LCP II: In conclusion, the Ruger LCP II simply represents the beginning of the evolution of the .380 pocket pistol. I have several pocket pistols, Just had my XDS 45 fail on me (Light primer strikes) and have another XDS in 9MM, I have a S&W Sigma 380, that works but is less pleasing than my two Ruger LCPs, Kahr, CW380, or my Colt Mustang XSP. Presenting statistics like this isnt representative of the actual quality of the product, but the opinion of those who voted. customer service should you need it that transfers with the gun. How is it possibly at the top of the list? The design was intended to produce more accuracy while only sacrificing marginal power. I would think a pocket gun would be best kept in .380 or 9mm. Anything In the Ring of Fire Family. Id never heard of the site; wanted to check it out to see how much I want to buy the article at face value. SCCY Industries CPX-2 (4.3 stars 0.4, 99 votes) This gun is budget-friendly Three weeks before it was even released. Their guns get copied because George Kelgren never copyrighted the designs. Keltec P11 will take S&W 669 mags10,15,20 rounders..just like the Marlin Camp Rifle.. Slicked up and did a Golden Loki Fluff & Buff on my Kel-Tec P3AT after I bought it years ago. Surprised the Remington R51 didnt make this list. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-beauty2.jpg The Beretta Pico is probably one of Berettas biggest blunders. Ruger markets the trigger as having a six pound pull. And just recently bought my Third Pico. Worst complaint is the trigger, but a lot of dry fires with snap caps and you condition yourself to the long reset. Ive seen tons of positive reviews of the CPX2. And with gloves on, even the skin tight shooting gloves, it was impossible to get the trigger to reset without removing my finger from the trigger guard completely, or using my support hand to manually push it forward far enough to reset. But despite those advantages, .380 pocket pistols have also been plagued by a number of downsides. Ive never seen one that ran well or was anything but unpleasant to shoot, provided you can get more than one round off without a misfeed. Both the front and rear sights are black which can make it difficult to see them if you are aiming against a dark background. Is it possible to find a Hellcat II that runs well, shoots well and fits well? The gun works incredibly well if you use the recommend FMJ ammo as listed in the manual. It is light and works. Lets find out by comparing it to the original LCP. Here is some news for you. the Truth about Guns is one of the most biased groups around. You have entered an incorrect email address! Unless you can document that, I think you are off base posting what is basically a rumor. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-left.jpg. You do not get a small light pistol without trade offs. I think you would be hard pressed to find any thing this good for that price. Double strike capability, Magazines all stainless that look like custom 1911 mags. The Ruger LCP II, released by Ruger at the end of 2016, sought to remedy many of those downsides. His comment about the mag release tell xme his knowledge of the Beretta Pico is limited to picking one up at the most. I love this site and usually stand behind the things written on it, but this is absolute trash and clickbait. All of this list (for the most part) are price point guns and no, you will not get HK quality for $200, but this list is about as fanboy as anything I have ever seen on here. He may want to trade the SCCY with the safety in for one of the newer ones without a safety. Which is good compared to many overpriced semi auto pistols which are not as dependable. Im generally a fan of .40, though it does have a bit of a signature snap. Note to self, Get to the range! This gun looks a whole lot like the Ruger LCP and Kel-Tec P-3AT. No aluminum. And surely have not shot one or very little. The DAO trigger is long but is consistent and smooth. The Recoil spring is a one spring like almost any other. A bunch. That thing is a freaking beast of a gun in terms of durability (yes, I have seen torture tests of it). But, in real life event, the trigger want matter. Every one of these pistols are incredibly easy to conceal in your pocket. Lol, it is more than obvious that John Hope does not have a clue about the Beretta Pico. Or the Kahr in there? I got a Glock26, and have been happy ever since! Just a BS review to gain clicks and views. After this 1911 bill gets passed, Ill be carrying a 1911. But I have no interest in any Keltec pistol-unlike several rifles. CPX 2. No gun, none, should have a mag release that is that stiff and impossible to use fast and effectively, especially in a carry gun none the less. Types Of .380 Pistols Subcompact vs Micro-Compact Single-Stack vs Double-Stack Magazines What Should You Look for in a You fire as soon as you pull and have aimed. I alone will take up the Masterpiece banner, carry it aloft, plant it on the nearest peak and proclaim, Get thee 6 extra recoil springs and thou shalt have a decent pistol for a year or more, even.. The ratings would be a lot more reliable if everyone had to write a review along with the rating. Super long heavy pull, which is understandable on a DA only no safety gun. The Mary Rosh controversy (where Lott used that pseudonym to answer critics and to post one favorable review of More Guns Less Crime) is discussed. Yes it did. No issues to complain about. Its not that the gun is too small, its that the trigger is much too close to the tiny grip. I dont expect any pocket gun to be pleasant to shoot, but I ditched my Hellcat after experiencing multiple failures to eject two types of ammo. There are two primary uses for the LCP II: concealed carry and/or as a back-up pistol. Otherwise a worthy imitator of the abandoned Walther PPK. Oh, it fits my hand great too. Great gun otherwise. I can do it blind folded. The muzzle blast can be quite impressive and women should definitely fire their guns at the range. Id have to disagree with the cpx2s place on the list even though the company had growing pains. Votes on the best or worst of anything are all based on personal experience or having an ax to grind. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. The Ring of Fire guns are small, super To start with they sat on it for 2 whole years teasing a release and it just kept getting pushed back further and further. Ruger listened to the criticism, which resulted in the birth of the LCP II. None. The take down lever is actually easy to use once get use to it. The trigger is exactly like a double action revolver. I have had my CPX 2 and have shot many hundreds of rounds through it, no jams, no misfires, not really impressed with the rear sites, so I put a laser on it and it is accurate, I like not having a safety on it, but with 9 pounds of trigger pressure you do not need a safety. Bounce is not horrible but that along with size will take some of the enjoyment out of the session. SuccySuckeySuckySucySukyNope. I have several friends who own Picos and swear by them. The number of ratings is what sold his other books. Its been reliable since then for me. Get real. (dead serious) took it right back to the store. That gun, the TCP, gets pretty good marks everywhere Ive seen it reviewed, so I wouldnt expect it to show up on a pocket guns to avoid list. Thats along what I was thinking. My SCCY CPX-2 has been absolutely accurate with never a malfunction of any kind. Ruger sought out to remedy much of these problems with the LCP II. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-right.jpg I also feel the cw380 has very minimal recoil vs other small 380s in its same size. Nonetheless, the fact that they are difficult to shoot can be a major problem for training and self-defense purposes. I used to have one. It therefore must perform when called upon. If you use ratings to determine which gun works or doesnt work for you, you are a fool. and wrote the entire line off. Ed Brown alpha elite: 3.2. You want an example of why internet polls are not representative? I really get the feeling you know little about the Pico. Also people need to fire them at the range. It feels good in the hand and the materials and workmanship are fine. Or has been suggested earlier you can just go snub nosed revolver. Sorry, with all due respect to Mr Henson, I wish you the best of luck, and while I see how this might help some buyers sort from the thousands of gun models, its only a start. Diamondback has been plagued by trouble. His post show that he is just posting without knowledge of the firearms. If its good Ill spread the word. Considering the price point of the SCCY, its fit, finish and functionality is excellent. Otherwise you will just get a ton of, Wait, that gun is not a GLOCK! I just dont see the silent u in that. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-beauty1.jpg The trigger guard on the LCP has also been enlarged in order to accommodate a gloved finger without risking pulling the trigger. And with 38 other semi-auto pocketguns to choose from, why risk it? Bodyguard were well rated. Its definitely not perfect but it is far from the worst gun Ive owned. A number of guns you have to shoot 400 rounds or so to exercise the gun so it will never jam as long as it is cleaned and oiled. They sent me a replacement gun that wouldnt chamber the 1st round. Shoot to make the thug dead. The PPK established a defining influence on the design of concealed carry firearms. . Their customer service is great and my pistol has run 100% since I bought it with multiples of hundreds of rounds through it. Got the Hellcat thrown in when I bought another gun. It is also the only 10 shot 9mm you can find that is truly small enough to pocket carry. This is what I really hate about stories like the one posted. Makes me question the authors intentions in this article. Examples of popular small pocket .380 autos include the original Ruger LCP, Taurus TCP, Smith & Wesson Bodyguard .380, and the Kel-Tec P3-AT to name a few. either love or hate. My Airweight has been dehorned and edges softened, carries so comfortably with a Hip Grip that I often forget about it. No I dont own one I own two. Obviously you really do not get into pocket guns or spend time with folks that do. I love the Pico. My dad bought a CPX-whichever has the safety about a month ago; Ill have to ask him what he thinks of it next time we talk. Simple, easy and the Beretta Pico is in fact one of the most mild shooting Pocket Pistols out there. Voted by handgun magazine as a top pistol and great manufacturer. Actually bought a second one. TTAG writerJeremy S. apparently had a non-awful experience with a CA380. Never had a malfunction, easy to shoot, accurate, and good looking whats not to like? But unlike those highly rated guns, the Hellcat IIs rating is in the toilet. WebThe .380 Auto (ACP) Pistol is most often used for self-defense, and is a particularly good choice for concealed carry thanks to its small size. The Picos have a huge fan base. There is an author named John Lott, who became a best seller from an unknown very quickly by doing exactly that. Did you ever lubricate the gun, or did you just load it and shoot it? They were remarkably accurate and soft-shooting, too. For 2022, the Roughneck will be available in a recoil-friendly .380 ACP. I have not had to use them as my SCCY has functioned perfectly so far. How so? i used to own a keltec p11. Sure just (Including the book he wrote about how to cheat Amazon buyers by faking reviews.). Of course the gun was the new upgraded model. George have you tried a different ammo brand? Stainless steel throughout the gun. 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