He later completed his masters degree in accounting and worked as an accountant in the military. Undiscovered jackpot? He was the apple of her eye.. Financial troubles combined with his discontentment with his family over many issues caused severe depression to John, who then decided to take a drastic step to end everything once and for all. Meanwhile, back at Breeze Knoll, investigators found the John List passed away on March 21, 2008, after suffering from pneumonia. '', ''One thing about Bobby,'' the friend in Richmond said. John List would be 97 years old if he was alive today. His dad used to go to the ball games. And he yelled, 'Put that thing down before your eyeball falls out.' What on earth has your comment got to do with the price of fish? Based on information gleaned from dozens of interviews and hundreds of pages of police and FBI documents, Father Wants Us Dead is an in-depth and chilling narrative from two reporters with more than 25 years of combined experience. ''Delores said it wasn't Bob,'' Mrs. Flanery recalled. Delores never told me about Bob, said Wanda Flanery, Millers neighbor in Denver. I agree he wanted a fresh start. The first seven episodes of Father Wants Us Dead are available now on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts, and you can subscribe on those platforms to be alerted when new episodes drop every Tuesday through June 21. One doesnt need to like the man himself Perhaps the strongest illustration of this is the mismatch between media mores and voters: the overwhelmingly liberal (anti-Trump) media being vastly unrepresentative of the people as expressed in the popular vote: Biden 51.3%; Trump 46.9%. He chose not tocommit suicide because he considered it a sin. And I picked up a typewriter, and Bobby saw me. Mr. Clark flew out at his own expense for an interview and obtained the job. He was a devout Lutheran layman and his fingerprints matched those of the fugitive John E. List. John List was on the run when they met in 1985 after having murdered his family members about 14 years before. ''I was sad and scared for Delores,'' Mrs. Flanery said. Afterwards, he dragged his wifes body to the ballroom and made himself lunch and ate it. That same year, Clark went to a church social ''I have been depressed over all this,'' Mrs. Clark wrote. List later worked in Rochester, N.Y., and Jersey City, N.J., before taking his family to Westfield in 1955. John Emil List was born 63 years ago in Bay City, Mich., the son of a wealthy German immigrant grocer who had married, for the second time, late in life. If he says, 'God bless you,' he's not just saying it. ''I knew it was Bob,'' she said. WebView the profiles of people named Delores Clark. '', Although he hesitated before placing Mr. Clark in the Roberto job, ''I couldn't come up with a reason to say no,'' Mr. Oldson said. A deeply tragic case. John Lists friend wrote a book where it mentions they divorced and she was living in poverty. Asked what Mr. Clark did like, the friend said, ''Baseball, The National Geographic, Walter Cronkite and documentaries. However, today we are not here to talk about the legendary singer but about his son Tamon Pendergrass. Once, when I asked him, he said he was from Michigan.. He joined a local Lutheran church and, in 1985, married a widow named Delores Clark, with whom he moved to Richmond, Va. Ted Oldson, an executive with the accounting firm of Brown, Whitley & Todd, interviewed him for a client, Roberto Distributing, a carpet wholesaler in Denver. On Nov. 9, 1971, after sending his children off to school, List took his two handguns out to the car to load them, then walked into the kitchen and shot his wife from behind as she was drinking coffee. Miller is not in business there, and there is no evidence it ever existed. I believe it was 1895 or possibly 96. John had first moved to Michigan, and then to Colorado, where he took an accounting job in Denver. The couple had three children together, while Helens daughter Brenda left home in 1960 after her marriage. In my 75 years of life, every overly religious person I have met, with a few exceptions, eventually show that they betray those around them in some form. John was convicted of five counts of first degree murder in April 1990 and was imprisoned with five terms of consecutive life imprisonment. John Sr. drove over to his school and watched him playing in a soccer game. ''The tax season was coming up, and we needed somebody,'' Mr. Joyner said. Mr. Mrs. Clark also has relatives nearby, in Maryland. "I grew up with the idea that you should provide for your family and to do that you had to be a success in the job that you had or you're a failure, and that was not a good thing to be," he said. He snapped at me, No family! Wetmore recalled. Too much drama. The company makes folding boxes for supermarkets. I guess I was thinking, well Ive started, now Ive got to finish it.. What a sorry attempt at humor using President Trump at the end. It was He had planned the murders so meticulously that even after many years of the incident, the police and FBI found no trace of John. Mr. Clark, the friend insisted, displayed no taste for violence. See All About BORN October 27, 1930 DIED January 21, 2017 Asked to check Mr. Clark's resume in their files, the executives found that it was gone. The case turned cold until18 years later, whenthen-newTV showAmericas Most Wantedcommissioned forensic artist Frank Bender to sculpt a bustthat aged List. That was not a lie. Delores Miller Clark lived a simple life in Denver before she met and married John List, who then went by the name Robert Peter Bob Clark. Although Helen reportedly suffered from the effects of syphilis contracted from her previoushusband, the family appeared stable and high-functioning to their friends and neighbors. At a church singles party in 1977, Clark met Delores Miller, a 40-year-old divorcee. God would deny heaven to a suicide, but not to a mass murderer? List might look now. Of course, facts can be used selectively. Moreover, his wife was a heavy drinker and she had also contracted Syphilis from her first marriage. . Im convinced hes just pulling my chain, Gluck recalled. Few neighbors had been invited to the house. Another great post and one of my all time favourite murder stories. . It is still unclear where or how Mr. Clark spent 1972. To the right of the Chinese red front door is an Amish plaque inscribed, ''Bless This House.'' Jeanne, thanks for the kinds words and the research! But public officials who use lies to incite violence should have to answer for their words and actions. Once, when Wetmore asked his friend if he had a family anywhere, it touched a nerve. ( I think he did remarry while on the run)? We've received your submission. Colorado resident Wanda Flanery contactedpolice about a former neighbor named BobClark who had recently moved away to Richmond, Virginia. Worse still was that List, an avid churchgoer, was not immediately caught. Meanwhile, back at Breeze Knoll, investigators found the bodies after neighbors summoned police because they hadnt seen anyone enter or leave the house in a month. Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement, Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement, and Your Privacy Choices and Rights (each updated 1/26/2023). "At least I'm certain that all have gone to heaven now. "I'm sure that if we recognize each other that we'll like each other's company just as we did here, when times were better.". Mr. Clark spent long days in his own small office, unadorned by decorations or memorabilia, but with classical music playing softly on a radio. According to Mortgage Bankers Associationdatacited by the FDIC, lenders foreclose on one in every 200 U.S. homes and one child in every classroom belongs to a family in jeopardy of losing a home because of difficulty meeting mortgage payments. Dr. Steven Simring, a psychiatrist who examined List after his arrest years later, told Downtown his "sense of neatness" was the result of a compulsive personality. I am devoted to him.''. Obituaries can vary in the amount of information they contain, but many of them are genealogical goldmines, including information such as: names, dates, place of birth and death, marriage information, and family relationships. ''If he goes into a McDonald's for a hamburger, the man is going to bow his head and say grace to his God,'' the friend said. John was a strict Lutheran and hence, when he came to know about Helens pregnancy, he right away proposed to her for marriage. By then, he owned a 1974 Volkswagen and had gotten an accounting job working for a company that made cardboard boxes. WebDelores Hazel Miller, age 82, went to heaven, Tuesday, May 9, 2017. Delores called me on this past Mothers Day, Flanery said. ''I don't know John List. Following a stint in prison, after pleading guilty to felony bankruptcy fraud, Abby Lee Miller was diagnosed with Burkitt lymphoma in 2018. On their cul-de-sac, the Clarks were described as pleasant but distant. A couple of sourcesclaim that the ornate housecontainedaskylight made ofLouis Comfort Tiffany stained glass valuable enough to bail List out of his financial problems. He said he found Mr. Clark ''a little strange.'' I think he killed the family because his ego was such that he couldnt handle them seeing him as a failure. Wearing signature pigtails she opened the show, singing "Age of He also claimed to be suffering from PTSD. To much rationalizing. He was arrested 11 days later, and, after a jury rejected his diminished capacity defense, convicted and sentenced. He even had turned the thermostat down to 50 degrees to preserve the bodies.. List are unquestionably the same man. He lined the bodies up on the floor, put music on through the houses intercom system and wrote a confession to his pastor. Authorities later revealed that John kept lying to his family about his jobs. Episodes, photos and other information are also available at fatherwantsusdead.com. He told Steve Reed, a vice president of the agency, Richmond Placements Inc., that he wanted to live and work in a more vibrant economy. Picture in Supermarket Tabloid. One night after dinner, he even asked his family what should be done with their bodies after they died. As of 2018, Peggy, Dolores, and Connie are still alive. He thought it improper in the eyes of God. The morning of November 7, 1971 began in a usual fashion. In a letter to Mrs. Flanery, her neighbor in Aurora, in December, Mrs. Clark wrote that the apartment ''is going to rob us of everything we own.''. From New York, he had traveled overland to Denver, where he began a new life under the name Robert P. Clark, working first as a hotel fry cook and later as an accountant for H&R Block. List would also be 63 years old now. Little of this past did List, as Clark, ever reveal. Clark left Denver in February, 1988, to take the new job, just as the company was getting busy with tax season. Wetmore said Clark then lived in a ramshackle trailer park on the outskirts of Golden. Two neighbors, Joseph and Jacqueline Stefano, told reporters that Mr. Clark had a particular interest in World War II and Hitler. Mrs. Clark is 47. For the first time, she has her own tour bus. I was going to subscribe and refer until I saw that swipe at Trump. Way roomy. List had sent word to school that he was taking his children to visit relatives, Moran said. Sometimes we ought to be discomforted to rouse us from complacency. This disambiguation page lists articles about people with the same name. Not sure what youre saying here. Zealotry is a pejorative term: zealots, as fanatics, are necessarily bad. On June 2, 1956 she was united in marriage to Ralph L. Miller at Gethsemane Lutheran Church. By 1971, List seemed poised for a total financial collapse and didnt want his wife and kids to bear the shame of going on public assistance. Mrs. Stefano also recalled an evening at the Clark home when the conversation turned to the couple's origins. ''I only know Bobby Clark,'' said the Richmond friend, who asked not to be identified. Delores Miller Clark (m. 198589) John Emil List (September 17, 1925 March 21, 2008) was an American mass murderer [1] and long-time fugitive. We found his mother up in her third-floor apartment. He wanted OUT. A few months earlier, the couple had moved in together, staying in Miss Miller's two-bedroom apartment at the Somerset Village condominiums in nearby Montbello. '', By contrast, Mr. Clark would later tell his friend in Richmond that his first wife had been an alcoholic and a spendthrift who had died of cancer and that he had a daughter who ''was somewhat uncontrollable. By then, he was assigned to the finance corps, from where he was discharged in 1952. Clark was picked up 11 days after the Most Wanted broadcast dramatized the ballroom murders. Flipping through his tenant file, she said: Ive never seen anything like this in all the years Ive been here. Host John Walsh, whose own son had been a murder victim, asked viewers to call in tips. Her son-in-law Randy Mitchell called the telephone number on the screen on her instructions and gave the operator the phone number and address of the Clarks in Virginia. And when they did, he shot them, one by one. Of course, what List stated were his reasons/motives for the murders and what they really were (whether he was aware or not) could be different. They had been laid out in a neat row, head to toe, Moran said. A person who called a telephone number printed on the screen was a son-in-law of a neighbor of Mr. Clark when he lived in Colorado. 2023 Advance Local Media LLC. We became friends, you might say.. As I was doing it I knew it was wrong," he said. His picture was also shown on television, which led one of his neighbours to notify the authorities. But the trail turned cold at Kennedy International Airport, where his car had been abandoned. Heleft the house everymorning,pretending to go to work when he was really whiling away time reading or sleeping in the train station. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Advance Local. I said, Thats Bob, Flanery recalled. List in a supermarket tabloid. Work Mr. Clark switched to a restaurant in a Denver department store, and, Mr. Wetmore said, he mentioned taking a course at H & R Block and doing a little tax work to make extra money. God is perfect. First, a recap of theForensic Filesepisode The List Murders with some additional research from the internet. Butin a pre-Antiques Roadshowworld, he didntthink to get an appraisal and try to sellthe glass if it really existed, that is. Hopefully they would go to heaven, and then maybe I would have a chance to later confess my sins to God and get forgiveness.". ''I don't say people can't change, and maybe God will forgive Bob. Spouse/Ex-: Delores Miller Clark (m. 19851989), Helen List (m. 19511971), children: Frederick List, John, Jr. He was too shy and seemed disinterested in talking to even his superiors. List caught the tail end of the show with his wife, who did not know his past. "I don't know whether it was only because he was still jerking that I wanted to make sure that he didn't suffer, or that it was sort of a way of relieving tension, after having completed what I felt was my assignment for the day," List said. In 1974, Mr. Clark's name appears for the first time in a Denver telephone directory. His 84-year-old mother, Alma, who lived in an upstairs apartment in the house, received a gunshot, too. The job was for an entry-level staff accountant at a salary of $24,000. Bustthe case. The neighbor, Wanda R. Flanery, may have been the first person to harbor suspicions about Mr. Clark's identity. In 1965, when List and his family moved to affluent Westfield, N.J., he seemed to be a model of suburban success and propriety. Several sources in the book Righteous Carnage mentions his arrogance. Mrs. Flanery was among the millions of people watching. In a three-sentence statement to the court, he said he was sorry for "the tragedy that happened in 1971." They had been dead nearly a month, and by that time John Emil List was long gone. Delores Clark acknowledged at her news conference that she had dismissed the magazine article from her mind and had never shown it to her husband. Wertheimergave him life without parole. Required fields are marked *. The List murders were among the most grisly and puzzling in modern American crime because of the quiet methodical way that List killed his wife, mother, and three children in a day-long ritual of slaughter all because he was deep in debt and feared the family would break up under the burden of his financial woes. Clark moved in with Miller in November, 1985. When asked about his family, ''he would make some allusion to Michigan or Minnesota,'' Mr. Bassler added. Marion Delores Clark Miller was born to Paul and Ada(Tuttle)Clark on September 25, 1937 in Moody County, South Dakota, where she was raised on several However, the marriage was not very good. ''I was afraid, just in case he was the same man,'' she said. "So eventually I got to the point where I felt that I could kill them. The bodies of the wife and children were on sleeping bags in the ballroom, off the kitchen. Dr. Sheldon Miller, who examined List after his arrest last year, described him Friday as a man who had already been hit by the loss of his job and then learned that his And like Judas I gave her a kiss . Get the day's top news with our Today's Headlines newsletter, sent every weekday morning. List finally was tripped up after nearly two decades in hiding because his new persona was made in his old image--that of a wimpy, bespectacled accountant whose life centered around the Lutheran Church. List, Patricia List, place of death: Trenton, New Jersey, United States, education: University Of Michigan, Ann Arbor. Mr. Joyner said Mr. Clark was a hard worker who often arrived at his office, in a two-story brick building in a shopping mall across from a J. C. Penney store, before 8 o'clock and worked straight through till 5, taking lunch at his desk. Unlike the others, John didn't go quietly, his body jerking as List emptied both the 9 millimeter and the .22 into his son. In the afternoon, he killed his children as they came home first his daughter Patty, a budding actress at 16; then his youngest, 13-year-old Frederic; and finally 15-year-old John, his namesake and his favorite. Both were quiet, reserved people devoted to the Lutheran faith. David glad to hear from you! We all made a lot of assumptions, such as the fact that he didn't have any children, since his wife had been so sick. John feltthat his popular, socially active teenagers were neglecting their spiritual needs. Info about the house is hard to come by. She never showed the photo to Mr. Clark. The Downturn Laid Off and Late With the Mortgage, Gradually, Mr. Clark became less and less of an asset to All Packaging. "I was hungry," he told Downtown, adding with a chuckle, "that's just the way it was.". I did what I thought was best, she said. Doubts From a Friend. But what gets her really excited? ''There were just some certificates hanging on the wall from a staff accountant we used to have, but who is now deceased,'' Mr. Joyner said. He had been fired from all his jobs due to his cold demeanor and his inability to be social with his co-workers. But the wife was face up (albeit with a cloth covering placed later), indicating contempt. To preserve these articles as they originally appeared, The Times does not alter, edit or update them. Sick minds only justify their inconsistent philosophy and thoughts because their logic is egocentric, and lacks logic ( logic as we normal people know it). She had a young daughter from her previous marriage. ''He did everything by hand,'' the executive said. He became increasingly depressed. He took the name Robert Clark, eventually got an accounting job, and remarried. JoJo Siwa View this post on Instagram He died in prison as a result of pneumonia. The bodies of Lists 85-year-old mother, Alma, his wife, Helen, 45, and their children, Patricia, 16, John Jr., 15, and Frederick, 13, were not discovered until the evening of Dec. 7, 1971. He usually chose large apartment complexes where it was easy to remain anonymous. Additionally, the financial burden on the family was increasing, causing him severe psychological distress. Internet research turned up a number of statistics that surely would have providedList with some consolation if he faced his sameproblems post-2000. It meant living above their means, and List eventually had to take out a second mortgage. Even now a chill runs through James Moran, Westfields retired police chief, when he recalls the scene in the sparsely furnished, 18-room mansion List had bought for $50,000 in 1966, using money from an inheritance. And of course both presidential candidates have strengths and weaknesses but so polarised are the positions of even intelligent and well-informed people (it would be fair to regard a good proportion of those who work in the national media as such) that there is little no attempt to be even-handed; and defence of one being regarded as attack of the other. By 1971, he was still leaving for work every morning, but unknown to his family he was unemployed and unable to pay the bills. Indeed, Trumps rescinding the moratorium on federal execution is an example (and some need informing that he didnt impose death a judge and jury did but merely removed the block to its enaction.). Mr. Clark also changed jobs at this point, becoming a cook at the Piney Country Club in Parker, southeast of Denver, where he helped Mr. Wetmore obtain a cleaning job. ''Bob's job grew, but he didn't,'' Mr. Bassler said. "I remember talking about funerals and cremation and burials. Jim Clark Bro. 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